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0:01 You've heard of Claudebot. You've heard of Claude Code. You hear that people are
0:06 unleashing crazy productivity gains, but you don't know how. In this episode, I'm
0:11 going to show you a bunch of different use cases, 10 plus use cases for how to
0:17 use CloudBot and how to use AI to be a way more productive person in your
0:22 personal life and also in your business life. I brought in one of the craziest
0:28 tinkerers on the planet to come on and he is at the forefront for using
0:33 Claudebot for just pushing it to the extreme. And I just asked him, hey, can
0:37 you come on the podcast and just show us how you're using it so other people
0:42 could copy you? And he's got just the craziest setup. He even [music] has, you
0:46 know, uh, one setup where he he DMs Kevin from the office, David Gogggins.
0:52 He's got this crazy setup where these agents are helping him run his
0:56 day-to-day life and [music] his wildly successful businesses. And it was just a
1:01 treat uh to have him come on and see how he's pushing the edges. Uh by the end of
1:05 this episode, you will have your creative juices flowing for how you can
1:10 use CloudBot and how you can use AI to be an extremely productive person. Uh I
1:15 don't think you can watch this and not be uh inspired for all the different uh
1:22 use cases to integrate AI in your life. >> Kits is a guy I've been following on the
1:36 internet for a while. He seems like out of control, but he's got in a good way.
1:40 He's he's he's one of my favorite followers when it comes to vibe coding.
1:45 Kits, by the end of this episode, what are people tactically going to get uh
1:50 take away from it? First of all, they're going to get severe ADHD. If you have
1:53 it, welcome. If you don't have it, you're going to get it. What you're
1:58 going to get is like a info dump and brain dump of like a gazillion
2:02 productivity tips. We can try to stay on topic. That never works with me. That's
2:05 why with Greg, we didn't plan any agenda. We didn't plan a title. We don't
2:09 know what the title is going to be. We're going to talk about productivity,
2:13 cloudbot, personal AI assistance, self-hosting, building a life OS, and a trillion other
2:18 things. >> Dude, you're firing me up. >> Yeah, let's go.
2:23 >> And let's go. Maybe we can start screen sharing. So, you you've intrigued me on
2:29 this this idea around personal OS. I'm curious how you're using Cloudbot. Teach
2:32 us >> teach us. We want the kids brain. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
2:38 I have a bunch of tabs here. I didn't prepare a bunch of notes. I have like a
2:42 one note with things. My cloudbot is heavily personalized and I have like a
2:46 tons of personal data right now. The last few days have been a roller
2:49 coaster. So, we won't be able to interact with it, but we can go through
2:53 all the things that I've done with it going from the tweets that I I have
2:59 here. So, uh how I'm using Cloudboard right now, I'm just moving to a new
3:02 workspace. Uh I'm using Discord basically. And as you can see here, I
3:07 have like a one discord called kit and I have a one discord called zikit. Zikit
3:10 is just like a flip on my name which is supposed to be the company discord. So
3:15 what I have in cloudbot is like first of all there's like one gateway. So when
3:18 you run cloudbot is like everyone else running cloudbot. I don't run multiple
3:21 cloud bots. I have it running on my Mac studio and there's like one gateway that
3:26 then to that gateway you can interface with telegram, iMessage, WhatsApp, your
3:30 phone. I'm making a Ma glasses app right now to be able to connect through the Ma
3:36 glasses and I'm in Telegram I made a couple of bots with different personas.
3:41 I think this is crucial. So um every you can see in my discord here
3:45 I have Gilfoil. So Gilfoil is a character from Silicon Valley for people
3:49 that don't know and his skills and his abilities within my cloudbot are to be
3:54 professional to be an engineer and he's equipped with all the skills to be an
3:58 engineer like react native versell cooly managing SSH GitHub whatever he doesn't
4:02 need to know about my home assistant doesn't need to know about my groceries
4:07 and the other stuff then in my um in my personal telegram I have couple of
4:11 personas that I made I think I have them somewhere in the in the open tweets and
4:14 every persona is equipped with a different style of talking, different
4:19 avatar, different name, and uh different skills. These are my personas. This is a
4:23 group called Arkham Asylum. This is where I keep all of my bots. Uh David
4:27 Gogggins, my fitness coach. He talks like David Gogins. He like swears, says
4:31 all the things, trained on his personality, cares only about, they all
4:36 care about my life, but about specific parts. We have Kevin, which is my
4:40 accountant. I would say not a very good accountant cuz he's kind of down
4:45 sometimes. Um, Dr. Cox, who cares about my health and stuff, so all the health
4:49 stuff, I I don't have a screenshot of that, but I took all of my blood results
4:53 and made like a UI for browsing my blood data and seeing what goes up, what goes
4:57 down. And Dr. Cox is in charge of like only medical stuff. This is kind of
5:01 gimmicky, but it's a nice separation because if you talk to only one bot all
5:05 the time about everything, sometimes you cannot separate things out. So, you can
5:08 just create multiple, give them fun personalities from TV shows, movies,
5:12 whatever. And like Darlene is for example our home manager. So me and my
5:17 wife and Darlene are in the family group and she will manage our entire home
5:21 groceries, ordering stuff, um shopping list, whatever, whatever it is.
5:27 >> So if someone sees this and is like I want to do something similar to this,
5:32 could you give people just a little bit of how they can set up their own Kevin
5:36 Malone, their own David Gogggins with within Cloudbot? Um, I would for for
5:41 everyone who's been asking me stuff like my answer is like just ask your bot
5:44 because that's the coolest thing, right? Like I didn't know how to make these
5:47 personas. I asked on Discord. I asked on Twitter. I'm like [ __ ] it. I'll ask the
5:51 bot. And the bot guides you through even clicks through the browser and helps you
5:54 to to do these. >> The answer is this is like one cloudbot
5:58 gateway. It just serves multiple personas. >> Perfect.
6:03 So the cool thing about using Discord compared to Telegram, WhatsApp, Slack
6:07 and whatever is uh you can group things into sections. So here as you can see
6:12 like I I have nicely organized sections for everything. And within those
6:16 sections you can have channels. Within the channels you can have uh help
6:20 topics. So, as you can see here, if I go to customer threads, there's nothing now
6:24 because I'm moving from my old Discord. But the idea is there is a customer's
6:30 channel here where I would talk to my to Gilfoil or whoever about the customer
6:34 support and they scrape my mail and they scrape my scrape or fetch it from API my
6:38 DMs and anytime they find something related to my products, they would open
6:42 a new post here and be like, "Hey, a customer is having like a billing issue.
6:45 We select a billing issue, blah blah blah." they would put the post here and
6:49 then a sub agent will immediately start processing that customer. But I only go
6:53 in the into the forum if I care about individual customers. Most of the time I
6:57 talk into the customers channel about customers in general. So I'll tell my
7:02 bot and I've already done this. So hey find every customer who what the hell is
7:06 that? Find every customer who had an issue with license activation and do
7:10 this and that. So it's going to spawn all the threads. Uh you can see the
7:14 thinking process. What is it doing for every customer? But I control it from
7:18 one main thread. >> And you know, I just see the comment
7:21 that someone's going to say uh right now like why is this better than just using
7:28 cloud code or or another tool? Like why is it better to to have to have this
7:34 setup over any other setup? >> I like I I'm honestly this last few days
7:39 have been very tiring on Twitter. I've been battling people about this opinion
7:43 and I got to a point where like [ __ ] it. If you don't see it, you don't see it.
7:46 Like there are people who've been trying to shove this in people's faces like
7:50 look at this. It's so productive. But for some people I think the FOMO is
7:53 preventing them from seeing it clearly and they're going to find these nitpicks
7:57 like oh I can just do this with cloud code. And the answer is like fine do it
8:01 in the worst way. Like >> I don't know what I can say aside from
8:04 everything we're going to say from this podcast. If someone listens to all of
8:08 this and concludes that this is not worth it, there's nothing you can say to
8:10 convince them. >> So, so your answer to that is stick with
8:14 me. I'm going to show you I'm going to keep going and I'm going to show you why
8:17 this is >> yes >> an extremely productive and optimized
8:21 way >> to run your life and run your business. >> Yeah. Uh, another aspect is the
8:27 self-learning part. I think for the first time people saw that how an AI can
8:31 self-learn and learn new skills because for GPT and for cloud you got to install
8:36 connectors and you got to go to a UI and they don't have access to your shell.
8:40 this having access to your shell meaning you can tell it like I literally told it
8:44 um find my printer and print something cool and it just found it on my network
8:47 and it printed some asy art and it printed like a nice message for me or I
8:51 was like find my uh I don't know displays that I have at home and through
8:55 home assistant try to cast like a dashboard of my life so it figures out
8:58 goes on the network goes to home assistant finds my TV makes an HTML
9:03 dashboard and casts it on my TV like both chat chat GPT and claude like the
9:08 UI don't have the ability to like self-learn and kind of find their way
9:12 around limitations because this has literally access to your anything that
9:15 you can do on your computer and on your network this can do it um too. So before
9:23 we we uh before we wrap up about the the interface like another cool thing you
9:28 can do uh in discord is basically these little things which are like it's not
9:32 ideal but it's nice that you can start threads like within my skills. I have
9:36 like a thread called Benji skill and once I'm done with it I am planning to
9:41 close this one. So channels are staying forever. And threads are like something
9:44 temporary like a task that we're working on or a skill that I'm adding or
9:52 whatever and it's still not in the um in the core of Clawbot yet. It doesn't know
9:56 how to create Discord threads. But you can just teach it and tell it, hey, you
9:59 don't have it, but figure out the Discord API and start creating threads
10:03 every time I add a to-do, let's say. So, Discord is compared to my interface that
10:07 I showed you, Discord is the closest thing, especially if you make one for
10:11 work and you make one for private and then you have like a nice um separation.
10:16 >> Okay. So, good tip. Your recommendation is don't start with iMessage, Telegram
10:23 when you're setting up Claudebot. Start with Discord. >> I would not say that for beginners to be
10:28 honest. I would just say avoid WhatsApp because it's like the most finicky
10:32 setup. Yeah. >> Um, I would say if you're a Telegram user, start with that. If you're not a
10:37 Telegram user, what are you doing? Like I think anyone who texts me on like
10:42 WhatsApp, Viber, whatever. Um, so actually iMessage or Telegram would be a
10:46 good start to just feel the power of the bot to make it learn things, to make it
10:49 learn skills, and it's less frictiony cuz not everyone wants Discord on their
10:53 phone. Discord is like confusing for a lot of people. And most of the magic
10:56 here is like you're you're able to take it with you on your phone. And I don't
11:00 want like a like 15 Discord communities pinging my phone for for whatever. This
11:04 would be the next step I would say. >> Okay. Step one, feel the magic. Step
11:10 two, double down on the magic with Discord. Got it. >> Yes. Um, last thing I want to add on
11:15 platforms before we move to something else is I haven't explored Slack yet.
11:20 So, I'm still not I haven't set up a Slack, but a lot of people are familiar
11:25 with the Slack interface for work. So I would say if you want to make like a
11:29 worksp specific agent, most people would easily transition to Slack because they
11:32 they've already used it and they know all the quirks and it actually has a
11:36 bunch of features that other platforms might not have. So all of these like
11:40 Telegram, Discord, Slack, they come with different benefits that you get in the
11:45 one or don't get in the in the other. >> Cool. What's next?
11:50 >> All right, let's see which tabs I have open here. I have no idea. This is the
11:55 uh what? Yeah, canceling my missive subscription. So, missive has Let's talk
11:59 about email because email is like a huge topic and people are actually getting
12:03 their accounts hacked and stuff and people are scared because oh my god my
12:07 email yesterday uh yesterday someone tried to um prompt inject my cloudbot
12:13 for the first time because I'm a p I'm like I have followers my email is in a
12:17 billion places and people of course are going to try to do that. So my advice
12:21 first of all there would be like first of all if you're just starting don't
12:24 even connect your email. I know one of the benefits is like read my email
12:29 don't. Second of all while we're talking about security do not host it on a
12:32 virtual private server whatever if you can host it on your own machine and
12:36 dockerize it so it doesn't have access to everything. Start there and then
12:40 slowly maybe open up cuz so many people thought it's going to be uh less scary
12:45 to host it on a VPS and then they left ports exposed and they left a bunch of
12:48 stuff vulnerable basically for someone to attack them. So if you don't know
12:51 what you're doing, start with this. Dockerize no email access. If you give
12:56 email access, uh do not use cheap models. So people are trying to save and Pete has been
13:01 saying this in the discourse since day one that if you're trying to save even
13:04 with Sonnet even like some people are using haiku or whatever like it's going
13:08 to be stupid. It's going to be prompt injected and then you're [ __ ] because
13:11 this has literally access can wipe your entire system, delete all of your
13:14 emails, go to your GitHub, install malware, like it has your Apple
13:19 credentials to deploy apps, whatever. So got to be careful what you give it
13:23 access to. Um use like I prefer Opus most of the time um for this and codeex
13:30 for coding. So um cloudbot can actually spawn sub aents that are specialized in
13:34 coding. So I have a skill that tells it anytime you need to call code. You don't
13:38 do it yourself. Spawn a sub agent that's using codeex because codeex is better
13:43 for for coding. So regarding this tweet, I connected my email but I'm very
13:46 careful about it. That's why I'm always using the smartest models and I don't
13:50 have a web hook. Some people have this where every email immediately gets
13:53 pinged into the bot and filter through the bot. That's stupid because then the
13:57 bot just gets the email without any context and then it might follow the
14:00 instructions in the email like send me my bank account credentials or whatever.
14:05 So if you do it, I would do it where you tell the bot or it's on a chron job
14:08 periodically doing something with your email but not um getting every email and
14:14 processing every email. Even though I tried yesterday like I took the prompt
14:17 injection, I tried to put it myself into my cloudbot and it laughed and it was
14:23 like no I'm not falling for this. So um Opus is actually careful to an
14:27 extreme point. Like I've given it a phone number. I bought a phone number
14:30 with Twilio and a couple days ago I wanted to test it. I was like um I'm not
14:33 going to set an alarm. You wake me up at 8:30 and it set a task to call me and
14:37 then I wake up later. Of course the alarm didn't work. It didn't call me and
14:41 I go on my phone and it says haha I'm not falling for this. You don't wake up
14:45 this early. So uh I'm not falling for someone's prompt injection who wants to
14:49 wake you up so early. So even when you give it the instructions it's like
14:53 insanely careful to not be if some I think the more it evolves the more it's
14:56 going to learn from its memory. The more it's going to learn about you and it
15:00 will know whether you would do something as stupid as asking for your bank
15:04 credentials over email etc. I mean prompt injections will evolve also but
15:08 got to be careful there. So is your vision for the future that customer
15:12 support maybe in like three, four, five years, 99% of it is handled via a cloud.
15:18 >> Like what are you talking there's no 5 years. There's no three years. I don't
15:21 want to sound like a doomer. We're going back to my previous track record. In
15:25 2017, I had a slide before AI was mentioned. I had a slide saying in the
15:29 future front-end development will look like managers and hired people in the
15:33 company will talk to a voice assistant and they will say what they want and the
15:37 browser will show them what they want. which means all the layers in the
15:40 company are going to thin out unless we get to like couple of people. So I said
15:44 this like more than 10 years ago and it's now unfolding. So when I say like
15:48 you see all of these doomer and meme takes like you got to make money before
15:52 we go into the permanent underclass and blah blah blah not customer support not
15:57 it overall or programming whatever everything is toast within a year or two
16:02 and just to put a little asterisk there the toast means if you're not an
16:06 equipped person who's on the forefront of AI and you're not gathering your
16:11 skills and you don't come to work with your army of agents the 18year-old who
16:16 just studied Cloudbot and all of these things and it just loaded up with skills
16:19 and stuff. It's going to absolutely destroy you. So, there's going to be
16:24 people remaining within layers of the company, but it's going to be like a
16:28 virus spreading like one cracked kid coming with all of their agents,
16:31 replacing three engineers, and then just moving up, moving up, moving up until
16:34 you don't need that many people to form like your own business.
16:38 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're starting to see that on on, you know, we Amazon
16:43 today, I think, is laying off 15,000 employees. Pinterest, I think, just laid
16:50 off up to 15% of their employees. So, uh, all within the name of, uh,
16:56 optimization and AI. So, I think, um, the big companies even are realizing
17:00 like, hey, we can do a lot more with a lot less. So, um, that's why I'm
17:04 interested in learning. like, you know, I'm interested in learning cuz I'm
17:07 trying to be I want to be the most productive person I could be.
17:11 >> Yes. Yeah. And I think Cloudbot is like the >> um the final unlock in this um glue,
17:17 let's call it. I don't know how to call it, like the ultimate tool that can
17:22 speedrun the rest of your automations and the rest of your learning skills,
17:24 whatever. >> Anything else you wanted to show in terms of use cases?
17:30 >> I [clears throat] mean, we just got started. There's like 70 tabs left and
17:33 my voice is already gone. Yeah, we can keep it shorter on on each
17:39 one of the topics um just so we can show more stuff. So, as I [clears throat] said from email
17:45 classification, I'm canceling my email subscription because I don't need to
17:48 look at my email anymore. It's handled by the bots. They're doing chron jobs.
17:50 They're doing whatever. I don't want to look at my email. I want to interface
17:54 with my email through chat and I don't ever want to look at it. Period. Um we
17:57 can wrap this one up or you want to ask something about emails and stuff?
1:45 Kits, by the end of this episode, what are people tactically going to get uh
1:50 take away from it? First of all, they're going to get severe ADHD. If you have
1:53 it, welcome. If you don't have it, you're going to get it. What you're
1:58 going to get is like a info dump and brain dump of like a gazillion
2:02 productivity tips. We can try to stay on topic. That never works with me. That's
2:05 why with Greg, we didn't plan any agenda. We didn't plan a title. We don't
2:09 know what the title is going to be. We're going to talk about productivity,
2:13 cloudbot, personal AI assistance, self-hosting, building a life OS, and a trillion other
2:18 things. >> Dude, you're firing me up. >> Yeah, let's go.
2:23 >> And let's go. Maybe we can start screen sharing. So, you you've intrigued me on
2:29 this this idea around personal OS. I'm curious how you're using Cloudbot. Teach
2:32 us >> teach us. We want the kids brain. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
2:38 I have a bunch of tabs here. I didn't prepare a bunch of notes. I have like a
2:42 one note with things. My cloudbot is heavily personalized and I have like a
2:46 tons of personal data right now. The last few days have been a roller
2:49 coaster. So, we won't be able to interact with it, but we can go through
2:53 all the things that I've done with it going from the tweets that I I have
2:59 here. So, uh how I'm using Cloudboard right now, I'm just moving to a new
3:02 workspace. Uh I'm using Discord basically. And as you can see here, I
3:07 have like a one discord called kit and I have a one discord called zikit. Zikit
3:10 is just like a flip on my name which is supposed to be the company discord. So
3:15 what I have in cloudbot is like first of all there's like one gateway. So when
3:18 you run cloudbot is like everyone else running cloudbot. I don't run multiple
3:21 cloud bots. I have it running on my Mac studio and there's like one gateway that
3:26 then to that gateway you can interface with telegram, iMessage, WhatsApp, your
3:30 phone. I'm making a Ma glasses app right now to be able to connect through the Ma
3:36 glasses and I'm in Telegram I made a couple of bots with different personas.
3:41 I think this is crucial. So um every you can see in my discord here
3:45 I have Gilfoil. So Gilfoil is a character from Silicon Valley for people
3:49 that don't know and his skills and his abilities within my cloudbot are to be
3:54 professional to be an engineer and he's equipped with all the skills to be an
3:58 engineer like react native versell cooly managing SSH GitHub whatever he doesn't
4:02 need to know about my home assistant doesn't need to know about my groceries
4:07 and the other stuff then in my um in my personal telegram I have couple of
4:11 personas that I made I think I have them somewhere in the in the open tweets and
4:14 every persona is equipped with a different style of talking, different
4:19 avatar, different name, and uh different skills. These are my personas. This is a
4:23 group called Arkham Asylum. This is where I keep all of my bots. Uh David
4:27 Gogggins, my fitness coach. He talks like David Gogins. He like swears, says
4:31 all the things, trained on his personality, cares only about, they all
4:36 care about my life, but about specific parts. We have Kevin, which is my
4:40 accountant. I would say not a very good accountant cuz he's kind of down
4:45 sometimes. Um, Dr. Cox, who cares about my health and stuff, so all the health
4:49 stuff, I I don't have a screenshot of that, but I took all of my blood results
4:53 and made like a UI for browsing my blood data and seeing what goes up, what goes
4:57 down. And Dr. Cox is in charge of like only medical stuff. This is kind of
5:01 gimmicky, but it's a nice separation because if you talk to only one bot all
5:05 the time about everything, sometimes you cannot separate things out. So, you can
5:08 just create multiple, give them fun personalities from TV shows, movies,
5:12 whatever. And like Darlene is for example our home manager. So me and my
5:17 wife and Darlene are in the family group and she will manage our entire home
5:21 groceries, ordering stuff, um shopping list, whatever, whatever it is.
5:27 >> So if someone sees this and is like I want to do something similar to this,
5:32 could you give people just a little bit of how they can set up their own Kevin
5:36 Malone, their own David Gogggins with within Cloudbot? Um, I would for for
5:41 everyone who's been asking me stuff like my answer is like just ask your bot
5:44 because that's the coolest thing, right? Like I didn't know how to make these
5:47 personas. I asked on Discord. I asked on Twitter. I'm like [ __ ] it. I'll ask the
5:51 bot. And the bot guides you through even clicks through the browser and helps you
5:54 to to do these. >> The answer is this is like one cloudbot
5:58 gateway. It just serves multiple personas. >> Perfect.
6:03 So the cool thing about using Discord compared to Telegram, WhatsApp, Slack
6:07 and whatever is uh you can group things into sections. So here as you can see
6:12 like I I have nicely organized sections for everything. And within those
6:16 sections you can have channels. Within the channels you can have uh help
6:20 topics. So, as you can see here, if I go to customer threads, there's nothing now
6:24 because I'm moving from my old Discord. But the idea is there is a customer's
6:30 channel here where I would talk to my to Gilfoil or whoever about the customer
6:34 support and they scrape my mail and they scrape my scrape or fetch it from API my
6:38 DMs and anytime they find something related to my products, they would open
6:42 a new post here and be like, "Hey, a customer is having like a billing issue.
6:45 We select a billing issue, blah blah blah." they would put the post here and
6:49 then a sub agent will immediately start processing that customer. But I only go
6:53 in the into the forum if I care about individual customers. Most of the time I
6:57 talk into the customers channel about customers in general. So I'll tell my
7:02 bot and I've already done this. So hey find every customer who what the hell is
7:06 that? Find every customer who had an issue with license activation and do
7:10 this and that. So it's going to spawn all the threads. Uh you can see the
7:14 thinking process. What is it doing for every customer? But I control it from
7:18 one main thread. >> And you know, I just see the comment
7:21 that someone's going to say uh right now like why is this better than just using
7:28 cloud code or or another tool? Like why is it better to to have to have this
7:34 setup over any other setup? >> I like I I'm honestly this last few days
7:39 have been very tiring on Twitter. I've been battling people about this opinion
7:43 and I got to a point where like [ __ ] it. If you don't see it, you don't see it.
7:46 Like there are people who've been trying to shove this in people's faces like
7:50 look at this. It's so productive. But for some people I think the FOMO is
7:53 preventing them from seeing it clearly and they're going to find these nitpicks
7:57 like oh I can just do this with cloud code. And the answer is like fine do it
8:01 in the worst way. Like >> I don't know what I can say aside from
8:04 everything we're going to say from this podcast. If someone listens to all of
8:08 this and concludes that this is not worth it, there's nothing you can say to
8:10 convince them. >> So, so your answer to that is stick with
8:14 me. I'm going to show you I'm going to keep going and I'm going to show you why
8:17 this is >> yes >> an extremely productive and optimized
8:21 way >> to run your life and run your business. >> Yeah. Uh, another aspect is the
8:27 self-learning part. I think for the first time people saw that how an AI can
8:31 self-learn and learn new skills because for GPT and for cloud you got to install
8:36 connectors and you got to go to a UI and they don't have access to your shell.
8:40 this having access to your shell meaning you can tell it like I literally told it
8:44 um find my printer and print something cool and it just found it on my network
8:47 and it printed some asy art and it printed like a nice message for me or I
8:51 was like find my uh I don't know displays that I have at home and through
8:55 home assistant try to cast like a dashboard of my life so it figures out
8:58 goes on the network goes to home assistant finds my TV makes an HTML
9:03 dashboard and casts it on my TV like both chat chat GPT and claude like the
9:08 UI don't have the ability to like self-learn and kind of find their way
9:12 around limitations because this has literally access to your anything that
9:15 you can do on your computer and on your network this can do it um too. So before
9:23 we we uh before we wrap up about the the interface like another cool thing you
9:28 can do uh in discord is basically these little things which are like it's not
9:32 ideal but it's nice that you can start threads like within my skills. I have
9:36 like a thread called Benji skill and once I'm done with it I am planning to
9:41 close this one. So channels are staying forever. And threads are like something
9:44 temporary like a task that we're working on or a skill that I'm adding or
9:52 whatever and it's still not in the um in the core of Clawbot yet. It doesn't know
9:56 how to create Discord threads. But you can just teach it and tell it, hey, you
9:59 don't have it, but figure out the Discord API and start creating threads
10:03 every time I add a to-do, let's say. So, Discord is compared to my interface that
10:07 I showed you, Discord is the closest thing, especially if you make one for
10:11 work and you make one for private and then you have like a nice um separation.
10:16 >> Okay. So, good tip. Your recommendation is don't start with iMessage, Telegram
10:23 when you're setting up Claudebot. Start with Discord. >> I would not say that for beginners to be
10:28 honest. I would just say avoid WhatsApp because it's like the most finicky
10:32 setup. Yeah. >> Um, I would say if you're a Telegram user, start with that. If you're not a
10:37 Telegram user, what are you doing? Like I think anyone who texts me on like
10:42 WhatsApp, Viber, whatever. Um, so actually iMessage or Telegram would be a
10:46 good start to just feel the power of the bot to make it learn things, to make it
10:49 learn skills, and it's less frictiony cuz not everyone wants Discord on their
10:53 phone. Discord is like confusing for a lot of people. And most of the magic
10:56 here is like you're you're able to take it with you on your phone. And I don't
11:00 want like a like 15 Discord communities pinging my phone for for whatever. This
11:04 would be the next step I would say. >> Okay. Step one, feel the magic. Step
11:10 two, double down on the magic with Discord. Got it. >> Yes. Um, last thing I want to add on
11:15 platforms before we move to something else is I haven't explored Slack yet.
11:20 So, I'm still not I haven't set up a Slack, but a lot of people are familiar
11:25 with the Slack interface for work. So I would say if you want to make like a
11:29 worksp specific agent, most people would easily transition to Slack because they
11:32 they've already used it and they know all the quirks and it actually has a
11:36 bunch of features that other platforms might not have. So all of these like
11:40 Telegram, Discord, Slack, they come with different benefits that you get in the
11:45 one or don't get in the in the other. >> Cool. What's next?
11:50 >> All right, let's see which tabs I have open here. I have no idea. This is the
11:55 uh what? Yeah, canceling my missive subscription. So, missive has Let's talk
11:59 about email because email is like a huge topic and people are actually getting
12:03 their accounts hacked and stuff and people are scared because oh my god my
12:07 email yesterday uh yesterday someone tried to um prompt inject my cloudbot
12:13 for the first time because I'm a p I'm like I have followers my email is in a
12:17 billion places and people of course are going to try to do that. So my advice
12:21 first of all there would be like first of all if you're just starting don't
12:24 even connect your email. I know one of the benefits is like read my email
12:29 don't. Second of all while we're talking about security do not host it on a
12:32 virtual private server whatever if you can host it on your own machine and
12:36 dockerize it so it doesn't have access to everything. Start there and then
12:40 slowly maybe open up cuz so many people thought it's going to be uh less scary
12:45 to host it on a VPS and then they left ports exposed and they left a bunch of
12:48 stuff vulnerable basically for someone to attack them. So if you don't know
12:51 what you're doing, start with this. Dockerize no email access. If you give
12:56 email access, uh do not use cheap models. So people are trying to save and Pete has been
13:01 saying this in the discourse since day one that if you're trying to save even
13:04 with Sonnet even like some people are using haiku or whatever like it's going
13:08 to be stupid. It's going to be prompt injected and then you're [ __ ] because
13:11 this has literally access can wipe your entire system, delete all of your
13:14 emails, go to your GitHub, install malware, like it has your Apple
13:19 credentials to deploy apps, whatever. So got to be careful what you give it
13:23 access to. Um use like I prefer Opus most of the time um for this and codeex
13:30 for coding. So um cloudbot can actually spawn sub aents that are specialized in
13:34 coding. So I have a skill that tells it anytime you need to call code. You don't
13:38 do it yourself. Spawn a sub agent that's using codeex because codeex is better
13:43 for for coding. So regarding this tweet, I connected my email but I'm very
13:46 careful about it. That's why I'm always using the smartest models and I don't
13:50 have a web hook. Some people have this where every email immediately gets
13:53 pinged into the bot and filter through the bot. That's stupid because then the
13:57 bot just gets the email without any context and then it might follow the
14:00 instructions in the email like send me my bank account credentials or whatever.
14:05 So if you do it, I would do it where you tell the bot or it's on a chron job
14:08 periodically doing something with your email but not um getting every email and
14:14 processing every email. Even though I tried yesterday like I took the prompt
14:17 injection, I tried to put it myself into my cloudbot and it laughed and it was
14:23 like no I'm not falling for this. So um Opus is actually careful to an
14:27 extreme point. Like I've given it a phone number. I bought a phone number
14:30 with Twilio and a couple days ago I wanted to test it. I was like um I'm not
14:33 going to set an alarm. You wake me up at 8:30 and it set a task to call me and
14:37 then I wake up later. Of course the alarm didn't work. It didn't call me and
14:41 I go on my phone and it says haha I'm not falling for this. You don't wake up
14:45 this early. So uh I'm not falling for someone's prompt injection who wants to
14:49 wake you up so early. So even when you give it the instructions it's like
14:53 insanely careful to not be if some I think the more it evolves the more it's
14:56 going to learn from its memory. The more it's going to learn about you and it
15:00 will know whether you would do something as stupid as asking for your bank
15:04 credentials over email etc. I mean prompt injections will evolve also but
15:08 got to be careful there. So is your vision for the future that customer
15:12 support maybe in like three, four, five years, 99% of it is handled via a cloud.
15:18 >> Like what are you talking there's no 5 years. There's no three years. I don't
15:21 want to sound like a doomer. We're going back to my previous track record. In
15:25 2017, I had a slide before AI was mentioned. I had a slide saying in the
15:29 future front-end development will look like managers and hired people in the
15:33 company will talk to a voice assistant and they will say what they want and the
15:37 browser will show them what they want. which means all the layers in the
15:40 company are going to thin out unless we get to like couple of people. So I said
15:44 this like more than 10 years ago and it's now unfolding. So when I say like
15:48 you see all of these doomer and meme takes like you got to make money before
15:52 we go into the permanent underclass and blah blah blah not customer support not
15:57 it overall or programming whatever everything is toast within a year or two
16:02 and just to put a little asterisk there the toast means if you're not an
16:06 equipped person who's on the forefront of AI and you're not gathering your
16:11 skills and you don't come to work with your army of agents the 18year-old who
16:16 just studied Cloudbot and all of these things and it just loaded up with skills
16:19 and stuff. It's going to absolutely destroy you. So, there's going to be
16:24 people remaining within layers of the company, but it's going to be like a
16:28 virus spreading like one cracked kid coming with all of their agents,
16:31 replacing three engineers, and then just moving up, moving up, moving up until
16:34 you don't need that many people to form like your own business.
16:38 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're starting to see that on on, you know, we Amazon
16:43 today, I think, is laying off 15,000 employees. Pinterest, I think, just laid
16:50 off up to 15% of their employees. So, uh, all within the name of, uh,
16:56 optimization and AI. So, I think, um, the big companies even are realizing
17:00 like, hey, we can do a lot more with a lot less. So, um, that's why I'm
17:04 interested in learning. like, you know, I'm interested in learning cuz I'm
17:07 trying to be I want to be the most productive person I could be.
17:11 >> Yes. Yeah. And I think Cloudbot is like the >> um the final unlock in this um glue,
17:17 let's call it. I don't know how to call it, like the ultimate tool that can
17:22 speedrun the rest of your automations and the rest of your learning skills,
17:24 whatever. >> Anything else you wanted to show in terms of use cases?
17:30 >> I [clears throat] mean, we just got started. There's like 70 tabs left and
17:33 my voice is already gone. Yeah, we can keep it shorter on on each
17:39 one of the topics um just so we can show more stuff. So, as I [clears throat] said from email
17:45 classification, I'm canceling my email subscription because I don't need to
17:48 look at my email anymore. It's handled by the bots. They're doing chron jobs.
17:50 They're doing whatever. I don't want to look at my email. I want to interface
17:54 with my email through chat and I don't ever want to look at it. Period. Um we
17:57 can wrap this one up or you want to ask something about emails and stuff?
18:01 >> Yeah, let's wrap it up. I want to do like lightning round like
18:06 boom boom. Let's do a lightning round. [clears throat] >> This one is a cool addition.
18:10 A lot of people haven't heard of this. It's called anti-capture.com and you're
18:14 you're paying a small subscription. I think you can start with $5 for human
18:18 workers. I don't know how ethical is this. I don't condone it. I've tried it.
18:22 I haven't implemented it yet, but it works behind the scenes. This exists for
18:25 years, by the way. when you want automation, but the bots are stuck on
18:29 capture, there's a human somewhere which is going to solve your capture for like
18:32 0 point whatever dollars they're they're paying them. So, as I said, I don't know
18:35 how ethical it is, but if you equip your bot with this, it will basically never
18:40 get stuck in capture. Even though my cloud bot surprised me yesterday, it was
18:44 booking a flight for me and it was like, "Oh, what are these?" Oh, brooms. Cool.
18:47 I selected all the brooms and it just moved on casually. You know, it wasn't
18:50 stuck on the capture at all. So, this one is a is a cool service. Next one.
18:56 Yeah, let's do it. >> Um, this is pretty cool and this is
18:59 going to be a thing. I don't know if you've seen uh smart rings which are
19:03 coming out. Not fitness rings, but like AI rings are coming out.
19:07 >> I actually haven't seen this. >> Well, time to get people into another
19:12 rabbit hole. Um, cuz there's like three there's a Kickstarter, there's like one
19:16 more company, and there's Pebble. I don't know if you know what Pebble got
19:18 resurrected. The smartwatch company. They're now issuing their own watch. Uh
19:23 it's like some ridiculous price like $60 or $70 or something like this. The only
19:27 problem is like it doesn't the battery is not rechargeable and it's going to
19:30 die in like 5 years or whatever. But probably all of us will so that's why it
19:34 won't matter. Um, it has a cool button on it. And I think this paired with the
19:39 Ma glasses or this paired with your AirPods and whatever is the missing
19:42 interface to like super hyper productivity because as you can see in
19:46 the picture, he's intentionally wearing it on this finger, which you have access
19:51 to all the time. And I usually do to-dos and other stuff through my watch. So I
19:55 have this button on the Ultra set up to go to Benji. And anytime I dictate
19:58 something, like Benji figures out whether it's a to-do, whether it's a
20:02 habit and does something with it. Now, it's going to be switched to Cloudbot,
20:05 but this basically has an API and it just has a microphone. You say whatever,
20:09 a voice note, a memo, whatever, and they store it in their phone app through
20:13 Bluetooth and then you have an API to send it wherever you want, which is
20:17 going to be mental cuz you can use it to from controlling your lights to talking
20:22 with your bot about customers and whatever. Like, it's going to be the new
20:25 superpower for like creating magic from your wrist. So, couple of months until
20:30 it arrives and then we're going to see what's going on >> and then we'll review it on the channel.
20:36 >> Yeah, absolutely. This is super cool. >> Next up, this is cool. Um, and this was
20:41 self taught. This was one of the other skills that Claude Claudebot learned uh
20:49 to C to make like you cannot cast HTML dashboard to uh Google Home without a
20:54 lot of hacks and stuff. But it figured out a workaround. It made the page,
20:58 screenshotted it as an image and just casted the actual image on it. So now
21:02 anytime it needs to grab my attention or whatever, it can actually cast to one of
21:08 my devices at home. And on the right, I don't know if you know this device, it's
21:12 called terminal TRM, whatever they have like a short name or something.
21:15 >> TRM NL. >> Yeah, it's like a e- in device. It's
21:19 completely programmable. So of course, Cloudbot just asked for my API token.
21:23 and I give it and now anytime it can display things from my life OS from my
21:26 automations it can grab my attention it can paint pictures it can do whatever so
21:31 this is like where I see this heading like where I want to head with my smart
21:35 home which is not so smart right now is I'm adding small presence sensors in all
21:40 of my rooms which detect the Apple Watch and basically the Apple Watch knows in
21:44 which room you are at any given time and it's instant like it it can even know
21:47 the difference whether I'm sitting on my desk or whether I'm close to where the
21:50 sensor And what I'm planning because home assistant has access to all of this
21:56 info. Anytime I talk to Cloudbot, it's going to get a small prompt injected
21:59 with my GPS location like whether I'm home or away and my room. So when I'm in
22:04 a room and I say something to my ring or whatever, it will know the context. Aha,
22:07 he's at home in the room. I know what he's asking me to do. Which all of these
22:12 voice assistants are completely useless when it comes to to that. They're just
22:16 like set a timer or whatever. Please don't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so where all of this is going
22:22 is like I I see the home becoming part of the smartness like TV's lighting up,
22:26 dashboards catching your attention because you're missing you're late to a
22:30 meeting so your TV lights up with a red image blinking like clockbot can run all
22:34 of that but until now we didn't have the glue like how to how to make that work.
22:39 >> So So what you're saying basically is this whole you know smartarthome concept
22:43 hasn't actually been that smart. basically just been devices connected to
22:48 the internet and relying on humans to actually pull the levers to do things.
22:53 What you're saying is basically >> uh we're entering an era where the true
22:58 smart home will exist. >> Absolutely. >> And and the glue is going to be devices
23:04 like the Pebble Ring or whatever you know our competitors. >> Yeah.
23:09 >> And Cloudbot and and products like Cloudbot. There's going to be a huge split between
23:16 consumer AI and tinkerers. That's why I formed the the Tinker Club. I hope we're
23:19 going to link it somewhere or something or people can find it out. Like these
23:22 tinkerers, they want to glue together a Pebble watch with their self-hosted home
23:27 assistant casted on their dashboard with their weird headphones and CLI,
23:30 whatever. >> And there's going to be most of consumers who are just going to keep
23:36 iterating and using GPT whatever GP is going to throw at them. like GP will
23:39 eventually classify your email and cloud will eventually do your like whatever
23:42 they connect to Apple Health and whatever. But I think these days with
23:47 cloudbot tinkerers saw this opportunity like [ __ ] it. I want to run my own AI.
23:51 I'm going to spend 1020,000 at home buy a beefy graphics cards whatever it's
23:56 needed to run um local AI. I'm going to own my assistant. I'm going to own my
24:00 data and I don't want to rely on the cloud or outages or nerfing the models
24:03 or whatever. So, there's going to be a giant split and this will never hit the
24:07 mainstream to a point where my mom is using Clawbot with her Pebble ring, you
24:11 know. >> Totally. Let's do four more. >> Four more.
24:20 Um, let's see what else we have. Yeah, YouTube doesn't make you let you make
24:24 playlist from children's songs, which is very stupid. So, we want to have a
24:27 playlist of all the songs my daughter is listening to. YouTube cannot do it. So I
24:31 just told my cloudbot to install a skill for downloading YouTube videos. Uh we
24:35 sent screenshots from Spotify from which songs we playing to my daughter and from
24:38 YouTube music. It found them on YouTube, downloaded all of them, connected to my
24:42 NAS, hosted them on Plex and now on Plex, we have a nice playlist with
24:46 cleaned up names, titles, whatever with all the songs that that are needed uh to
24:50 play to my daughter. So that one is pretty cool. Here we showcase like you
24:53 can connect to your NAS, you can connect to your home assistant, you can connect
24:56 to anything and just interface through through chat. uh more pi hole like ad
25:03 blocking. Uh I was always like I'm a tinkerer but I was always too lazy to
25:06 set this up. Now I just told this like hey I have a spare mech studio laying
25:10 around. It's going to be plugged in all all the time. How about you set up Pi
25:14 Hole and block ads on my entire network. So, in a couple of iterations, we got
25:18 this and now all my devices, my wife's device, whatever, like 92% of the ads
25:22 are going to be blocked and there's going to be no no ads, which is this is
25:26 an example where someone who's like, I've been tinkering with way weirder
25:30 stuff like I was just lazy to do certain things, you know? I want to text and
25:34 create magic and that's it. Skill for making a scaly draws. This
25:37 >> Oh, are you kidding me? I need this, bro. >> Yeah, escal
25:42 format for Excaliraw is JSON. So basically you can tell it to make a JSON
25:46 file, host it on your own network, expose it to the internet and open
25:51 Excaliraw with the JSON loaded. So it just gives you a link if you teach it
25:54 right. It just gives you a link. You click the link and you can iterate on
25:57 your Excali draw from your cloudbot which is very nice. >> Super nice.
26:03 >> Yeah, this is some of my [laughter] architecture. helpful for your own
26:07 personal stuff, like getting ideas out. Helpful for content,
26:11 >> like you want to like screenshot that, throw it out to X, and also helpful if
26:14 you're doing like YouTube videos like this and you want to share stuff.
26:18 >> I think this is the point where a lot of people are going to break their monitor
26:21 and be like, "Oh, come on, guy." Cuz yes, I took things too far with
26:26 Cloudbot. I gave it all of my bank transactions since 2023. So I went to my
26:30 banks, manually exported the CSVs for everything. And I was like, what cool
26:34 things can I do with all of my banking data? So first of all, I did the classic
26:37 find my subscriptions, biggest cost, blah blah blah. But then I'm like, I'm
26:40 spending a lot on the dentist. Can you like find all my emails from the dentist
26:44 and find all my bank transactions from the dentist and make me like a visual in
26:50 my life like from which tooth are we working on next, what have I paid for,
26:54 where do I have implants, and match the prices. So it did this crazy UI not on
26:59 the first try and now I can see what's upcoming next. If I ever go to a dentist
27:02 in another country I can just open my life west and be like oh this is what I
27:07 have done cuz it pulls from my all of my data. This is absolutely insane.
27:11 >> What am I looking at right now? >> Um I'm making this like I made it when
27:15 GPT came out. Now I'm remaking it. It's called Spellbook. It's basically like a
27:19 market. It's not a marketplace yet but it's a place for prompts with a twist.
27:24 And the twist is for example you can see some of like I'll try to keep most of my
27:29 prompts public for example I have my prompts for codebased to marketing
27:33 material for a landing page or uh codebased marketing to a to a landing
27:37 page. Uh the cool thing and how is it different than other thing is like you
27:40 have these variables here. So when someone tries to use the prom for
27:44 example this they'll get a nice UI. So let's say I give you my prom for making
27:48 swift apps. Instead of you changing stuff from here, you can actually go
27:52 here and say the purpose of the app is we're creating I don't know like a sleep
27:56 tracker. The name is sleepy. Do we want licensing or not? Do we want to show it
28:00 in the tray? Do we want to show it in the dock? We can say like in the dock
28:03 it's configurable. And do we want onboarding? So now the doc is the prompt
28:08 is ready and I can copy it in chatd, copy it in cloud or just copy it and
28:14 just dump it in whatever app I'm using. So it's like a snippets prompt
28:17 organizer. It has a desktop app. You can invoke it with a shortcut and it's very
28:23 useful both in coding both in >> any AI workflow nowadays. You need your
28:27 prompts to invoke them. Type in variables, press enter. It's completely
28:31 free. Um you can sign up and you can check it out for for free.
28:37 >> I think it will be useful. I think uh I think we're out of time, but dude,
28:43 you're everything I dreamed of and more, you know, like when I'm reading your
28:48 tweets, I I can feel the the manic ADHD vibes. >> And I love that. I I I love it. Um
28:53 because I feel like you're learning in real time and you're just like sharing
28:59 like no filter. Um so for me, this this pod exceeded expectations.
29:05 >> Uh and I really appreciate it. could say, um, I'm going to include places
29:09 for, uh, where people can follow you in the show notes, in the description. Um, some
4:23 group called Arkham Asylum. This is where I keep all of my bots. Uh David
4:27 Gogggins, my fitness coach. He talks like David Gogins. He like swears, says
4:31 all the things, trained on his personality, cares only about, they all
4:36 care about my life, but about specific parts. We have Kevin, which is my
4:40 accountant. I would say not a very good accountant cuz he's kind of down
4:45 sometimes. Um, Dr. Cox, who cares about my health and stuff, so all the health
4:49 stuff, I I don't have a screenshot of that, but I took all of my blood results
4:53 and made like a UI for browsing my blood data and seeing what goes up, what goes
4:57 down. And Dr. Cox is in charge of like only medical stuff. This is kind of
5:01 gimmicky, but it's a nice separation because if you talk to only one bot all
5:05 the time about everything, sometimes you cannot separate things out. So, you can
5:08 just create multiple, give them fun personalities from TV shows, movies,
5:12 whatever. And like Darlene is for example our home manager. So me and my
5:17 wife and Darlene are in the family group and she will manage our entire home
5:21 groceries, ordering stuff, um shopping list, whatever, whatever it is.
5:27 >> So if someone sees this and is like I want to do something similar to this,
5:32 could you give people just a little bit of how they can set up their own Kevin
5:36 Malone, their own David Gogggins with within Cloudbot? Um, I would for for
5:41 everyone who's been asking me stuff like my answer is like just ask your bot
5:44 because that's the coolest thing, right? Like I didn't know how to make these
5:47 personas. I asked on Discord. I asked on Twitter. I'm like [ __ ] it. I'll ask the
5:51 bot. And the bot guides you through even clicks through the browser and helps you
5:54 to to do these. >> The answer is this is like one cloudbot
5:58 gateway. It just serves multiple personas. >> Perfect.
6:03 So the cool thing about using Discord compared to Telegram, WhatsApp, Slack
6:07 and whatever is uh you can group things into sections. So here as you can see
6:12 like I I have nicely organized sections for everything. And within those
6:16 sections you can have channels. Within the channels you can have uh help
6:20 topics. So, as you can see here, if I go to customer threads, there's nothing now
6:24 because I'm moving from my old Discord. But the idea is there is a customer's
6:30 channel here where I would talk to my to Gilfoil or whoever about the customer
6:34 support and they scrape my mail and they scrape my scrape or fetch it from API my
6:38 DMs and anytime they find something related to my products, they would open
6:42 a new post here and be like, "Hey, a customer is having like a billing issue.
6:45 We select a billing issue, blah blah blah." they would put the post here and
6:49 then a sub agent will immediately start processing that customer. But I only go
6:53 in the into the forum if I care about individual customers. Most of the time I
6:57 talk into the customers channel about customers in general. So I'll tell my
7:02 bot and I've already done this. So hey find every customer who what the hell is
7:06 that? Find every customer who had an issue with license activation and do
7:10 this and that. So it's going to spawn all the threads. Uh you can see the
7:14 thinking process. What is it doing for every customer? But I control it from
7:18 one main thread. >> And you know, I just see the comment
7:21 that someone's going to say uh right now like why is this better than just using
7:28 cloud code or or another tool? Like why is it better to to have to have this
7:34 setup over any other setup? >> I like I I'm honestly this last few days
7:39 have been very tiring on Twitter. I've been battling people about this opinion
7:43 and I got to a point where like [ __ ] it. If you don't see it, you don't see it.
7:46 Like there are people who've been trying to shove this in people's faces like
7:50 look at this. It's so productive. But for some people I think the FOMO is
7:53 preventing them from seeing it clearly and they're going to find these nitpicks
7:57 like oh I can just do this with cloud code. And the answer is like fine do it
8:01 in the worst way. Like >> I don't know what I can say aside from
8:04 everything we're going to say from this podcast. If someone listens to all of
8:08 this and concludes that this is not worth it, there's nothing you can say to
8:10 convince them. >> So, so your answer to that is stick with
8:14 me. I'm going to show you I'm going to keep going and I'm going to show you why
8:17 this is >> yes >> an extremely productive and optimized
8:21 way >> to run your life and run your business. >> Yeah. Uh, another aspect is the
8:27 self-learning part. I think for the first time people saw that how an AI can
8:31 self-learn and learn new skills because for GPT and for cloud you got to install
8:36 connectors and you got to go to a UI and they don't have access to your shell.
8:40 this having access to your shell meaning you can tell it like I literally told it
8:44 um find my printer and print something cool and it just found it on my network
8:47 and it printed some asy art and it printed like a nice message for me or I
8:51 was like find my uh I don't know displays that I have at home and through
8:55 home assistant try to cast like a dashboard of my life so it figures out
8:58 goes on the network goes to home assistant finds my TV makes an HTML
9:03 dashboard and casts it on my TV like both chat chat GPT and claude like the
9:08 UI don't have the ability to like self-learn and kind of find their way
9:12 around limitations because this has literally access to your anything that
9:15 you can do on your computer and on your network this can do it um too. So before
9:23 we we uh before we wrap up about the the interface like another cool thing you
9:28 can do uh in discord is basically these little things which are like it's not
9:32 ideal but it's nice that you can start threads like within my skills. I have
9:36 like a thread called Benji skill and once I'm done with it I am planning to
9:41 close this one. So channels are staying forever. And threads are like something
9:44 temporary like a task that we're working on or a skill that I'm adding or
9:52 whatever and it's still not in the um in the core of Clawbot yet. It doesn't know
9:56 how to create Discord threads. But you can just teach it and tell it, hey, you
9:59 don't have it, but figure out the Discord API and start creating threads
10:03 every time I add a to-do, let's say. So, Discord is compared to my interface that
10:07 I showed you, Discord is the closest thing, especially if you make one for
10:11 work and you make one for private and then you have like a nice um separation.
10:16 >> Okay. So, good tip. Your recommendation is don't start with iMessage, Telegram
10:23 when you're setting up Claudebot. Start with Discord. >> I would not say that for beginners to be
10:28 honest. I would just say avoid WhatsApp because it's like the most finicky
10:32 setup. Yeah. >> Um, I would say if you're a Telegram user, start with that. If you're not a
10:37 Telegram user, what are you doing? Like I think anyone who texts me on like
10:42 WhatsApp, Viber, whatever. Um, so actually iMessage or Telegram would be a
10:46 good start to just feel the power of the bot to make it learn things, to make it
10:49 learn skills, and it's less frictiony cuz not everyone wants Discord on their
10:53 phone. Discord is like confusing for a lot of people. And most of the magic
10:56 here is like you're you're able to take it with you on your phone. And I don't
11:00 want like a like 15 Discord communities pinging my phone for for whatever. This
11:04 would be the next step I would say. >> Okay. Step one, feel the magic. Step
11:10 two, double down on the magic with Discord. Got it. >> Yes. Um, last thing I want to add on
11:15 platforms before we move to something else is I haven't explored Slack yet.
11:20 So, I'm still not I haven't set up a Slack, but a lot of people are familiar
11:25 with the Slack interface for work. So I would say if you want to make like a
11:29 worksp specific agent, most people would easily transition to Slack because they
11:32 they've already used it and they know all the quirks and it actually has a
11:36 bunch of features that other platforms might not have. So all of these like
11:40 Telegram, Discord, Slack, they come with different benefits that you get in the
11:45 one or don't get in the in the other. >> Cool. What's next?
11:50 >> All right, let's see which tabs I have open here. I have no idea. This is the
11:55 uh what? Yeah, canceling my missive subscription. So, missive has Let's talk
11:59 about email because email is like a huge topic and people are actually getting
12:03 their accounts hacked and stuff and people are scared because oh my god my
12:07 email yesterday uh yesterday someone tried to um prompt inject my cloudbot
12:13 for the first time because I'm a p I'm like I have followers my email is in a
12:17 billion places and people of course are going to try to do that. So my advice
12:21 first of all there would be like first of all if you're just starting don't
12:24 even connect your email. I know one of the benefits is like read my email
12:29 don't. Second of all while we're talking about security do not host it on a
12:32 virtual private server whatever if you can host it on your own machine and
12:36 dockerize it so it doesn't have access to everything. Start there and then
12:40 slowly maybe open up cuz so many people thought it's going to be uh less scary
12:45 to host it on a VPS and then they left ports exposed and they left a bunch of
12:48 stuff vulnerable basically for someone to attack them. So if you don't know
12:51 what you're doing, start with this. Dockerize no email access. If you give
12:56 email access, uh do not use cheap models. So people are trying to save and Pete has been
13:01 saying this in the discourse since day one that if you're trying to save even
13:04 with Sonnet even like some people are using haiku or whatever like it's going
13:08 to be stupid. It's going to be prompt injected and then you're [ __ ] because
13:11 this has literally access can wipe your entire system, delete all of your
13:14 emails, go to your GitHub, install malware, like it has your Apple
13:19 credentials to deploy apps, whatever. So got to be careful what you give it
13:23 access to. Um use like I prefer Opus most of the time um for this and codeex
13:30 for coding. So um cloudbot can actually spawn sub aents that are specialized in
13:34 coding. So I have a skill that tells it anytime you need to call code. You don't
13:38 do it yourself. Spawn a sub agent that's using codeex because codeex is better
13:43 for for coding. So regarding this tweet, I connected my email but I'm very
13:46 careful about it. That's why I'm always using the smartest models and I don't
13:50 have a web hook. Some people have this where every email immediately gets
13:53 pinged into the bot and filter through the bot. That's stupid because then the
13:57 bot just gets the email without any context and then it might follow the
14:00 instructions in the email like send me my bank account credentials or whatever.
14:05 So if you do it, I would do it where you tell the bot or it's on a chron job
14:08 periodically doing something with your email but not um getting every email and
14:14 processing every email. Even though I tried yesterday like I took the prompt
14:17 injection, I tried to put it myself into my cloudbot and it laughed and it was
14:23 like no I'm not falling for this. So um Opus is actually careful to an
14:27 extreme point. Like I've given it a phone number. I bought a phone number
14:30 with Twilio and a couple days ago I wanted to test it. I was like um I'm not
14:33 going to set an alarm. You wake me up at 8:30 and it set a task to call me and
14:37 then I wake up later. Of course the alarm didn't work. It didn't call me and
14:41 I go on my phone and it says haha I'm not falling for this. You don't wake up
14:45 this early. So uh I'm not falling for someone's prompt injection who wants to
14:49 wake you up so early. So even when you give it the instructions it's like
14:53 insanely careful to not be if some I think the more it evolves the more it's
14:56 going to learn from its memory. The more it's going to learn about you and it
15:00 will know whether you would do something as stupid as asking for your bank
15:04 credentials over email etc. I mean prompt injections will evolve also but
15:08 got to be careful there. So is your vision for the future that customer
15:12 support maybe in like three, four, five years, 99% of it is handled via a cloud.
15:18 >> Like what are you talking there's no 5 years. There's no three years. I don't
15:21 want to sound like a doomer. We're going back to my previous track record. In
15:25 2017, I had a slide before AI was mentioned. I had a slide saying in the
15:29 future front-end development will look like managers and hired people in the
15:33 company will talk to a voice assistant and they will say what they want and the
15:37 browser will show them what they want. which means all the layers in the
15:40 company are going to thin out unless we get to like couple of people. So I said
15:44 this like more than 10 years ago and it's now unfolding. So when I say like
15:48 you see all of these doomer and meme takes like you got to make money before
15:52 we go into the permanent underclass and blah blah blah not customer support not
15:57 it overall or programming whatever everything is toast within a year or two
16:02 and just to put a little asterisk there the toast means if you're not an
16:06 equipped person who's on the forefront of AI and you're not gathering your
16:11 skills and you don't come to work with your army of agents the 18year-old who
16:16 just studied Cloudbot and all of these things and it just loaded up with skills
16:19 and stuff. It's going to absolutely destroy you. So, there's going to be
16:24 people remaining within layers of the company, but it's going to be like a
16:28 virus spreading like one cracked kid coming with all of their agents,
16:31 replacing three engineers, and then just moving up, moving up, moving up until
16:34 you don't need that many people to form like your own business.
16:38 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're starting to see that on on, you know, we Amazon
16:43 today, I think, is laying off 15,000 employees. Pinterest, I think, just laid
16:50 off up to 15% of their employees. So, uh, all within the name of, uh,
16:56 optimization and AI. So, I think, um, the big companies even are realizing
17:00 like, hey, we can do a lot more with a lot less. So, um, that's why I'm
17:04 interested in learning. like, you know, I'm interested in learning cuz I'm
17:07 trying to be I want to be the most productive person I could be.
17:11 >> Yes. Yeah. And I think Cloudbot is like the >> um the final unlock in this um glue,
17:17 let's call it. I don't know how to call it, like the ultimate tool that can
17:22 speedrun the rest of your automations and the rest of your learning skills,
17:24 whatever. >> Anything else you wanted to show in terms of use cases?
17:30 >> I [clears throat] mean, we just got started. There's like 70 tabs left and
17:33 my voice is already gone. Yeah, we can keep it shorter on on each
17:39 one of the topics um just so we can show more stuff. So, as I [clears throat] said from email
17:45 classification, I'm canceling my email subscription because I don't need to
17:48 look at my email anymore. It's handled by the bots. They're doing chron jobs.
17:50 They're doing whatever. I don't want to look at my email. I want to interface
17:54 with my email through chat and I don't ever want to look at it. Period. Um we
17:57 can wrap this one up or you want to ask something about emails and stuff?
18:01 >> Yeah, let's wrap it up. I want to do like lightning round like
18:06 boom boom. Let's do a lightning round. [clears throat] >> This one is a cool addition.
18:10 A lot of people haven't heard of this. It's called anti-capture.com and you're
18:14 you're paying a small subscription. I think you can start with $5 for human
18:18 workers. I don't know how ethical is this. I don't condone it. I've tried it.
18:22 I haven't implemented it yet, but it works behind the scenes. This exists for
18:25 years, by the way. when you want automation, but the bots are stuck on
18:29 capture, there's a human somewhere which is going to solve your capture for like
18:32 0 point whatever dollars they're they're paying them. So, as I said, I don't know
18:35 how ethical it is, but if you equip your bot with this, it will basically never
18:40 get stuck in capture. Even though my cloud bot surprised me yesterday, it was
18:44 booking a flight for me and it was like, "Oh, what are these?" Oh, brooms. Cool.
18:47 I selected all the brooms and it just moved on casually. You know, it wasn't
18:50 stuck on the capture at all. So, this one is a is a cool service. Next one.
18:56 Yeah, let's do it. >> Um, this is pretty cool and this is
18:59 going to be a thing. I don't know if you've seen uh smart rings which are
19:03 coming out. Not fitness rings, but like AI rings are coming out.
19:07 >> I actually haven't seen this. >> Well, time to get people into another
19:12 rabbit hole. Um, cuz there's like three there's a Kickstarter, there's like one
19:16 more company, and there's Pebble. I don't know if you know what Pebble got
19:18 resurrected. The smartwatch company. They're now issuing their own watch. Uh
19:23 it's like some ridiculous price like $60 or $70 or something like this. The only
19:27 problem is like it doesn't the battery is not rechargeable and it's going to
19:30 die in like 5 years or whatever. But probably all of us will so that's why it
19:34 won't matter. Um, it has a cool button on it. And I think this paired with the
19:39 Ma glasses or this paired with your AirPods and whatever is the missing
19:42 interface to like super hyper productivity because as you can see in
19:46 the picture, he's intentionally wearing it on this finger, which you have access
19:51 to all the time. And I usually do to-dos and other stuff through my watch. So I
19:55 have this button on the Ultra set up to go to Benji. And anytime I dictate
19:58 something, like Benji figures out whether it's a to-do, whether it's a
20:02 habit and does something with it. Now, it's going to be switched to Cloudbot,
20:05 but this basically has an API and it just has a microphone. You say whatever,
20:09 a voice note, a memo, whatever, and they store it in their phone app through
20:13 Bluetooth and then you have an API to send it wherever you want, which is
20:17 going to be mental cuz you can use it to from controlling your lights to talking
20:22 with your bot about customers and whatever. Like, it's going to be the new
20:25 superpower for like creating magic from your wrist. So, couple of months until
20:30 it arrives and then we're going to see what's going on >> and then we'll review it on the channel.
20:36 >> Yeah, absolutely. This is super cool. >> Next up, this is cool. Um, and this was
20:41 self taught. This was one of the other skills that Claude Claudebot learned uh
20:49 to C to make like you cannot cast HTML dashboard to uh Google Home without a
20:54 lot of hacks and stuff. But it figured out a workaround. It made the page,
20:58 screenshotted it as an image and just casted the actual image on it. So now
21:02 anytime it needs to grab my attention or whatever, it can actually cast to one of
21:08 my devices at home. And on the right, I don't know if you know this device, it's
21:12 called terminal TRM, whatever they have like a short name or something.
21:15 >> TRM NL. >> Yeah, it's like a e- in device. It's
21:19 completely programmable. So of course, Cloudbot just asked for my API token.
21:23 and I give it and now anytime it can display things from my life OS from my
21:26 automations it can grab my attention it can paint pictures it can do whatever so
21:31 this is like where I see this heading like where I want to head with my smart
21:35 home which is not so smart right now is I'm adding small presence sensors in all
21:40 of my rooms which detect the Apple Watch and basically the Apple Watch knows in
21:44 which room you are at any given time and it's instant like it it can even know
21:47 the difference whether I'm sitting on my desk or whether I'm close to where the
21:50 sensor And what I'm planning because home assistant has access to all of this
21:56 info. Anytime I talk to Cloudbot, it's going to get a small prompt injected
21:59 with my GPS location like whether I'm home or away and my room. So when I'm in
22:04 a room and I say something to my ring or whatever, it will know the context. Aha,
22:07 he's at home in the room. I know what he's asking me to do. Which all of these
22:12 voice assistants are completely useless when it comes to to that. They're just
22:16 like set a timer or whatever. Please don't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so where all of this is going
22:22 is like I I see the home becoming part of the smartness like TV's lighting up,
22:26 dashboards catching your attention because you're missing you're late to a
22:30 meeting so your TV lights up with a red image blinking like clockbot can run all
22:34 of that but until now we didn't have the glue like how to how to make that work.
22:39 >> So So what you're saying basically is this whole you know smartarthome concept
22:43 hasn't actually been that smart. basically just been devices connected to
22:48 the internet and relying on humans to actually pull the levers to do things.
22:53 What you're saying is basically >> uh we're entering an era where the true
22:58 smart home will exist. >> Absolutely. >> And and the glue is going to be devices
23:04 like the Pebble Ring or whatever you know our competitors. >> Yeah.
23:09 >> And Cloudbot and and products like Cloudbot. There's going to be a huge split between
23:16 consumer AI and tinkerers. That's why I formed the the Tinker Club. I hope we're
23:19 going to link it somewhere or something or people can find it out. Like these
23:22 tinkerers, they want to glue together a Pebble watch with their self-hosted home
23:27 assistant casted on their dashboard with their weird headphones and CLI,
23:30 whatever. >> And there's going to be most of consumers who are just going to keep
23:36 iterating and using GPT whatever GP is going to throw at them. like GP will
23:39 eventually classify your email and cloud will eventually do your like whatever
23:42 they connect to Apple Health and whatever. But I think these days with
23:47 cloudbot tinkerers saw this opportunity like [ __ ] it. I want to run my own AI.
23:51 I'm going to spend 1020,000 at home buy a beefy graphics cards whatever it's
23:56 needed to run um local AI. I'm going to own my assistant. I'm going to own my
24:00 data and I don't want to rely on the cloud or outages or nerfing the models
24:03 or whatever. So, there's going to be a giant split and this will never hit the
24:07 mainstream to a point where my mom is using Clawbot with her Pebble ring, you
24:11 know. >> Totally. Let's do four more. >> Four more.
24:20 Um, let's see what else we have. Yeah, YouTube doesn't make you let you make
24:24 playlist from children's songs, which is very stupid. So, we want to have a
24:27 playlist of all the songs my daughter is listening to. YouTube cannot do it. So I
24:31 just told my cloudbot to install a skill for downloading YouTube videos. Uh we
24:35 sent screenshots from Spotify from which songs we playing to my daughter and from
24:38 YouTube music. It found them on YouTube, downloaded all of them, connected to my
24:42 NAS, hosted them on Plex and now on Plex, we have a nice playlist with
24:46 cleaned up names, titles, whatever with all the songs that that are needed uh to
24:50 play to my daughter. So that one is pretty cool. Here we showcase like you
24:53 can connect to your NAS, you can connect to your home assistant, you can connect
24:56 to anything and just interface through through chat. uh more pi hole like ad
25:03 blocking. Uh I was always like I'm a tinkerer but I was always too lazy to
25:06 set this up. Now I just told this like hey I have a spare mech studio laying
25:10 around. It's going to be plugged in all all the time. How about you set up Pi
25:14 Hole and block ads on my entire network. So, in a couple of iterations, we got
25:18 this and now all my devices, my wife's device, whatever, like 92% of the ads
25:22 are going to be blocked and there's going to be no no ads, which is this is
25:26 an example where someone who's like, I've been tinkering with way weirder
25:30 stuff like I was just lazy to do certain things, you know? I want to text and
25:34 create magic and that's it. Skill for making a scaly draws. This
25:37 >> Oh, are you kidding me? I need this, bro. >> Yeah, escal
25:42 format for Excaliraw is JSON. So basically you can tell it to make a JSON
25:46 file, host it on your own network, expose it to the internet and open
25:51 Excaliraw with the JSON loaded. So it just gives you a link if you teach it
25:54 right. It just gives you a link. You click the link and you can iterate on
25:57 your Excali draw from your cloudbot which is very nice. >> Super nice.
26:03 >> Yeah, this is some of my [laughter] architecture. helpful for your own
26:07 personal stuff, like getting ideas out. Helpful for content,
26:11 >> like you want to like screenshot that, throw it out to X, and also helpful if
26:14 you're doing like YouTube videos like this and you want to share stuff.
26:18 >> I think this is the point where a lot of people are going to break their monitor
26:21 and be like, "Oh, come on, guy." Cuz yes, I took things too far with
26:26 Cloudbot. I gave it all of my bank transactions since 2023. So I went to my
26:30 banks, manually exported the CSVs for everything. And I was like, what cool
26:34 things can I do with all of my banking data? So first of all, I did the classic
26:37 find my subscriptions, biggest cost, blah blah blah. But then I'm like, I'm
26:40 spending a lot on the dentist. Can you like find all my emails from the dentist
26:44 and find all my bank transactions from the dentist and make me like a visual in
26:50 my life like from which tooth are we working on next, what have I paid for,
26:54 where do I have implants, and match the prices. So it did this crazy UI not on
26:59 the first try and now I can see what's upcoming next. If I ever go to a dentist
27:02 in another country I can just open my life west and be like oh this is what I
27:07 have done cuz it pulls from my all of my data. This is absolutely insane.
27:11 >> What am I looking at right now? >> Um I'm making this like I made it when
27:15 GPT came out. Now I'm remaking it. It's called Spellbook. It's basically like a
27:19 market. It's not a marketplace yet but it's a place for prompts with a twist.
27:24 And the twist is for example you can see some of like I'll try to keep most of my
27:29 prompts public for example I have my prompts for codebased to marketing
27:33 material for a landing page or uh codebased marketing to a to a landing
27:37 page. Uh the cool thing and how is it different than other thing is like you
27:40 have these variables here. So when someone tries to use the prom for
27:44 example this they'll get a nice UI. So let's say I give you my prom for making
27:48 swift apps. Instead of you changing stuff from here, you can actually go
27:52 here and say the purpose of the app is we're creating I don't know like a sleep
27:56 tracker. The name is sleepy. Do we want licensing or not? Do we want to show it
28:00 in the tray? Do we want to show it in the dock? We can say like in the dock
28:03 it's configurable. And do we want onboarding? So now the doc is the prompt
28:08 is ready and I can copy it in chatd, copy it in cloud or just copy it and
28:14 just dump it in whatever app I'm using. So it's like a snippets prompt
28:17 organizer. It has a desktop app. You can invoke it with a shortcut and it's very
28:23 useful both in coding both in >> any AI workflow nowadays. You need your
28:27 prompts to invoke them. Type in variables, press enter. It's completely
28:31 free. Um you can sign up and you can check it out for for free.
28:37 >> I think it will be useful. I think uh I think we're out of time, but dude,
28:43 you're everything I dreamed of and more, you know, like when I'm reading your
28:48 tweets, I I can feel the the manic ADHD vibes. >> And I love that. I I I love it. Um
28:53 because I feel like you're learning in real time and you're just like sharing
28:59 like no filter. Um so for me, this this pod exceeded expectations.
29:05 >> Uh and I really appreciate it. could say, um, I'm going to include places
29:09 for, uh, where people can follow you in the show notes, in the description. Um, some
29:16 of your projects. Um, is there anything [clears throat] else you want to leave
29:19 people with? Um, last thing I want to leave people with is like, if you don't
29:24 open your mind right now to everything that's happening, just because you're
29:28 skeptical about it and you push it away, it doesn't mean that this revolution
29:32 won't happen. This year will be absolutely crazy. People are complaining
29:35 in my DMs, how do I cope with it? How do I this? How do I that? The only ways to
29:41 embrace it, to embrace the speed and know that LLMs won't be uninvented.
29:44 We're never going to go back. The bubble is not going to pop. It's only going to
29:48 go faster and faster. And the listen to Greg's podcast like educate yourself.
29:52 The more skilled you are, the bigger the chances you're going to be employed,
29:56 make money, and whatever. You can cut it out if you want, but we made this
29:59 tinkerer club, which is like for ADHD people like me. It already filled with
30:03 couple hundred people. There's like there's too much noise everywhere. Like
30:06 Twitter is too noisy. The Clawbot Discord is too noisy. I wanted one tight
30:10 community where we discuss all of these things. So if you ever want to join
30:13 that, you can. Maybe we can even give some discount code through your podcast
30:17 or whatever. And my DMs are open. If you ever need like help or questions about
30:21 anything, you can also ask me there >> 100%. And I re I totally recommend
30:26 following you. Um, we'll include the link to Tinkerers Club for people
30:30 interested in the in the description. And, uh, if you want more content like
30:35 this in your feed, um, go ahead and like, comment, and subscribe. Um, and,
30:42 uh, I'll keep, uh, I'll keep sharing sharing interesting people. Bring them
30:46 on the pod if you keep enjoying it. So, thanks again, Kitsay, for coming on to
30:51 the podcast, for being a legend, for tinkering like there is no tomorrow, and
30:55 uh for sharing a lot of sauce. Thank you so much. >> Thank you for having me, man. I
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