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0:00 Intro
0:02 In eight months, I build and ship over 28 apps. >> This is Max, a full-time developer who
0:08 spent years building apps with no success. >> I had my like mobile pet project. I
0:14 really wanted to grow and I like spent so much time on it, like try different
0:17 techniques. Nothing worked out >> until one day he decided to try
0:22 something different. [music] Instead of trying to build the perfect app, he'd
0:27 ship dozens of apps really fast. I have a record. One app I've built in 2 hours.
0:33 >> In just 8 months, he shipped 28 apps and went from $200 a month to $10,000 a
0:38 month, all while working his full-time job. >> Once the app is live, just let it go and
0:42 move on to the next project. >> Most people think you need one big app
0:47 to win, but Max proves that you can be successful with a portfolio of tiny
0:52 bets. I asked Max to come on to the channel to break down his entire system.
0:57 And in this video, we'll dive into his step-by-step process for finding ideas
1:02 that actually can make money, exactly how he ships apps in just a few hours,
1:07 and his step-by-step playbook you can use to ideulate, build, and launch your
1:12 next app in 48 hours. This one right here is for the builders. You cannot
1:17 miss it. I'm Pat Walls, and this is Starter Story. All right, Max, welcome to the channel.
1:23 Tell me about who you are, what you built, and what's your story.
1:26 >> My name is Max. I'm father of two, a loving husband, and an iOS engineer in
1:30 my daily job. During my off work hours in 8 month time, I've built a portfolio
1:35 of 28 simple mobile apps that are now bringing me $10,000 monthly revenue. And
1:41 the total subscribers across all apps is over 1,000 subscribers. And the daily
1:46 users like four or 5K across all my apps. And the biggest chunk of revenue
1:49 comes from the four apps and each one brings around $1 and a half thousand
1:53 dollars and the rest they generate very small numbers. So basically there's a
1:58 clear example of the famous 8020 rule. >> We're going to get into that and how you
2:01 ship these so fast. But first I got to understand how do you even get to this
2:04 point? What's your background? Are you a developer? How do you get to this point
2:06 where you're shipping a new app basically every week? >> I started my career in software
2:11 engineering as an iOS developer. That was around 8 years ago. And like many of
2:16 us did, I had my like mobile pet project. I really wanted to grow and I
2:20 like spent so much time on it like try different techniques. Nothing worked
2:24 out. And then February this year, I came across Adam's light video on the YouTube
2:29 and that literally changed my entire understanding of how to build apps. The
2:33 old understanding was you have your one project, you have to grow it and just
2:36 focus all your effort, all your time into it. And then Adam Slles, he showed
2:40 that you could keep building simple apps. You create one app, one feature,
2:45 ship it, forget about it, and jump onto another app. So that was something that
2:48 I've never thought about and I was so surprised this approach exists and I'm
2:53 happy that I went that way. >> Okay. So you find this new kind of way
2:56 of thinking about how to approach building apps. Don't have any ego around
3:00 your idea. Ship lots of different things. We're going to get all into
3:04 that. Before we do, I want to understand how do you actually find good ideas for
3:07 apps. >> Very first step just to find the right keyword. Basically how I look at it. If
3:12 user has a problem, they open the app store and start searching by entering
3:16 search term or a keyword into the search bar. And here's my process. First of
3:20 all, my main source of ideas is a well-known ASO tool Astro. And then I
3:25 pick a random category or something that I really want to build myself and search
3:29 for various relevant keywords. I'll also try looking at areas that might have be
3:33 closely related keywords that target the same group users but solving slightly
3:37 different problems. For example, if you take study apps, you can target physics
3:42 AI, chemistry AI, math AI. So these are different keywords, but they are related
3:46 to students. That gives me an opportunity after creating one app to
3:50 quickly jump into the closely related keywords in just no time. When I do my
3:54 research, I make sure the keyboard has at least 20% of popularity and 60 or 70%
3:59 difficulty. When I find interesting keywords, I usually check top
4:02 competitors and look at their monthly revenue, which you could do with a
4:06 sensor tower or a similar tools. My benchmark is at least 100 or €200 per
4:11 month. If the competitor does less, meaning there's not that much money in
4:15 that market, so it's not worth uh going there. What Max is doing here is genius.
4:21 He has this very fine-tuned system for finding ideas, shipping fast, and then
4:25 moving on to the next one. If you stick around to the end of this video, he's
4:28 going to talk about exactly how he does this, which I think you will enjoy. But
4:31 this whole thing got me thinking. [music] If you love watching people
4:35 build fast and think big like Max, then I definitely think you should check out
4:39 The Hustle, who is the sponsor of today's video. The Hustle is a free
4:44 daily email that makes business news actually fun to read. They cover offbeat
4:47 stories like Max's [music] every single day. And it's the kind of
4:51 stuff that will actually inspire you to build and launch that business idea, no
4:55 matter how crazy it sounds. I've been reading The Hustle for years, and it's
4:58 one of the few emails I actually look forward to opening. It's fast, it's
5:02 punchy, and it always gives me at least one story to talk [music] about with my
5:06 friends. Plus, it makes me sound way smarter than I actually am. So, if
5:09 you're building apps, looking for your next side hustle, or just love
5:13 discovering business ideas before everyone else, The Hustle is for you.
5:17 Hit the link in the description, subscribe to The Hustle, and you'll get
5:21 daily stories to keep innovators like you in the loop [music] with stories on
5:25 business, tech, and the internet. Thank you to The Hustle for sponsoring this
5:29 video. Let's get back to the story. Max, that Astro tool seems really cool. Could
5:33 you just show me like an example of how you'd find an idea? Let's say it's the
5:37 tree identifier idea. >> Basically, what I do, I create a
5:40 temporary app and then you can add keyword and then you go with the tree
5:45 identifier and then you bring up the apps and then you just pick some closely related. This
5:51 is obviously is not the one that we want. This is probably nice one. And
5:55 then you look through the keywords and then you just go popularity that just I
5:59 mentioned. uh say starting from 20 and difficulty uh 70. So you see the like
6:06 wood identification kind of popular and the difficulty is very low. I would
6:09 build that because I probably might target for this keyword and get some
6:13 good results and then like I select my keywords that I'll be targeting add them
6:17 to selection and then what I do I open the app store to see the revenue of this
6:21 app and if it's nice enough like if it's big then I just go for that.
6:25 >> Okay cool. So let's talk about that. What is your build process like? How do
6:28 you build all these apps and how do you build them so quickly?
6:31 >> First, I pick two three competitors and just study the app and pay close
6:35 attention to the main feature that closely related to the keyword. So, I
6:38 don't bother with anything else. Then, I tell Chad GPT or Gemini that I want to
6:42 build an app for a given keyboard. I provide some specific UIUIUX constraints
6:47 and I ask for a detailed implementation plan. Next, I create a project. I drag
6:51 and drop some UI elements uh custom buttons, views like screens. So instead
6:56 of building a new setting screen over and over again, I just drag and drop.
7:00 And uh same with onboarding and pay wall. And for some apps uh I basically
7:05 copy like 90% of the code which gives me like the instant time for the building
7:09 and the app is shipped like in a couple of hours. Then once the app is ready, I
7:14 open Figma, create a new project there and the copy screenshots and app icon
7:18 templates from all projects. And then once uh I have everything ready, so the
7:22 app is built. Then I finally ask RGBD to generate the app description. I fill in
7:25 all the metadata, make sure they are relevant to the keyword that I've
7:29 selected originally. Then the app is ready for distribution. And my process
7:33 usually takes, it depends on the app. Some apps might take a week because like
7:37 I need to do one thing, the other thing, but I have a record one app I've built
7:41 like in two hours from the idea just came into my head till I submit it to
7:46 review to the app store. Okay, before we finish the video, I wanted to pop in
7:50 real quick and share how cool I think this whole thing is that Max is doing.
7:55 Find the idea, build it, ship it, next project. This strategy is genius because
7:59 building software is changing. [music] When anyone, including your grandma, can
8:04 build an app, how fast you can ship apps really matters. And this is exactly the
8:09 kind of stuff that we teach inside Starter Story Build. In starter story
8:13 build, we will not only show you how to build an app with AI, but more
8:16 importantly, we will teach you a framework that you can use to ship apps
8:21 over and over again. If you join Starter Story Build, in just a few weeks, you
8:25 will have a real working app. And in just a few months, you might be quitting
8:29 your job and going allin on building apps. If you've gotten to this point in
8:32 the video right here, I have a deal for you. Just put code 28 apps at checkout
8:38 for 20% off your next Starter Story Build Boot Camp. Our next boot camp
8:42 starts this week and this offer won't last forever. So if you're ready to
8:46 build, head to the link in the description to check out Starter Story
8:50 Build. And remember to use the code 28 apps. [music] That's 28APS
8:55 for 20% off. All right, let's get back to the video. Okay, that's crazy how
8:59 fast you can ship these apps. I really think there's something there. Building
9:02 and shipping new apps every single week. So for anybody who's watching this right
9:06 now, I'd love if you just broke down the steps from actually taking an app from
9:09 idea to shipping it to the app store. Break down the exact steps on how to do
9:13 this if you were starting over today. >> Always begin with finding strong
9:17 keywords. Make sure the popularity difficulties great ratio and make sure
9:20 the top apps are making real revenue. So you want to build apps in the market
9:23 that pay cuz I don't want to waste my time on building apps that don't bring
9:27 any revenue. Step two, study competitors and define the core feature. Review the
9:32 top apps in the category, analyze them and choose the single core feature that
9:35 will solve the main user problem better and more efficiently. Step three, plan
9:40 fast with AI. Use AI tool to generate a clear development road map, feature
9:44 breakdown and UX structure that removes the guesswork and lets you start
9:47 building with clarity and speed. I use Corser or Cloud and I just ask them to
9:53 write down all the screens and all the features and the flows so I can see the
9:57 clear picture and I can understand which screens I need to build, which screens I
10:01 need to copy over from the previous projects. Step four, build lean and ship
10:06 quickly. Focus on shipping a clean MVP with the only features necessary to
10:10 deliver value. Step five, release and move to the next build. Once the app is
10:14 functional, polished enough, and life, just let it go. Move on to the next
10:18 project. let data decide which app sync on which float when you just ship the
10:22 app you get this famous app store boost but then over time it fades away and
10:27 then I see if it keeps going down or it's kind of stabilized or even growing
10:31 and if the app is not sinking it means it has potential and the last step six
10:36 return to winners and scale with ads so after some time I do revisit apps that
10:40 show organic traction or retention and for once the ones that float I start
10:45 improving them do some polishing do some bug fixes and add ads just to double
10:50 down on the results and to make sure that they grow. And that's pretty much
10:53 my playbook for the all the apps that I launch. >> I want to switch topics slightly and
10:55 Tech stack and costs
10:57 talk about tech stack. How do you build your apps? What tools do you use and
11:00 what languages are they built on? >> I don't have a lot of tools, but here
11:03 they are. Flatter, this is the framework that I use for the app development. Fast
11:08 Lane, this is the thing that I use for shipping everything fast. Then I use
11:13 Corsur for AI coding. Firebase, this is everything. This is my app's back end.
11:17 This is the authentication database and even website hosting. I also use open
11:22 air and gemini for image recognition and the AI work mix panel used for analytics
11:28 and I use Astro for iOS and Fox data for iOS and Android. >> Okay. And on a similar note, I'm curious
11:34 about costs and margin. You're making over $10,000 a month from over 28 apps.
11:38 What are the costs to run this whole app empire? >> Corser goes for like $20 a month. A fast
11:46 lane, this is free tool. So, $0 a month. Open AAI is a bit costly. It's like $200
11:52 a month. Gemini goes for $50 a month. Firebase, even though there's so much
11:56 going on, uh it doesn't cost much cuz I don't really go over the free tier, so
12:01 it's around $5 to $10 a month. Mix panel, I'm using a free plan, so I don't
12:06 pay anything. Astro goes for like $10 a month. And Fox Data, I'm also on the
12:11 free plan, so it's $0 a month. >> Okay. Okay. Well, thanks for sharing
12:13 that, being super transparent about the numbers. Cool to see how lean you
12:18 Final piece of advice
12:18 actually run this operation. Last question that I have for everyone who
12:21 comes on to Starter Story. If you could give one piece of advice to Max just a
12:27 year ago on what to do, what to work on or for anyone watching right now who
12:30 wants to do the same as what you're doing, what would be your advice?
12:34 >> The most important advice would be not to be afraid of shipping. Don't waste
12:38 your time on polishing it up, thinking about adding one more killer feature
12:41 that would definitely get you a ton of users. No, don't do it. Get it ready
12:46 bugs free, just one single feature, ship it, and let users tell you what they
12:50 think about it while you're building another app. >> That's amazing. Best advice I heard all
12:55 month, Max, thank you for coming on, sharing all this. It's amazing what
12:59 you're doing. I think it might be the future of building apps and software.
13:02 So, super cool to see and I'm sure it's going to keep growing. Thanks for coming
13:04 on. >> Thank you. Thank you to Max for coming on to the channel. I think that his
13:05 Pat's notes and reflections
1:20 Max's background
1:23 Tell me about who you are, what you built, and what's your story.
1:26 >> My name is Max. I'm father of two, a loving husband, and an iOS engineer in
1:30 my daily job. During my off work hours in 8 month time, I've built a portfolio
1:35 of 28 simple mobile apps that are now bringing me $10,000 monthly revenue. And
1:41 the total subscribers across all apps is over 1,000 subscribers. And the daily
1:46 users like four or 5K across all my apps. And the biggest chunk of revenue
1:49 comes from the four apps and each one brings around $1 and a half thousand
1:53 dollars and the rest they generate very small numbers. So basically there's a
1:58 clear example of the famous 8020 rule. >> We're going to get into that and how you
2:01 ship these so fast. But first I got to understand how do you even get to this
2:04 point? What's your background? Are you a developer? How do you get to this point
2:06 where you're shipping a new app basically every week? >> I started my career in software
2:11 engineering as an iOS developer. That was around 8 years ago. And like many of
2:16 us did, I had my like mobile pet project. I really wanted to grow and I
2:20 like spent so much time on it like try different techniques. Nothing worked
2:24 out. And then February this year, I came across Adam's light video on the YouTube
2:29 and that literally changed my entire understanding of how to build apps. The
2:33 old understanding was you have your one project, you have to grow it and just
2:36 focus all your effort, all your time into it. And then Adam Slles, he showed
2:40 that you could keep building simple apps. You create one app, one feature,
2:45 ship it, forget about it, and jump onto another app. So that was something that
2:48 I've never thought about and I was so surprised this approach exists and I'm
2:53 happy that I went that way. >> Okay. So you find this new kind of way
2:56 of thinking about how to approach building apps. Don't have any ego around
3:00 your idea. Ship lots of different things. We're going to get all into
3:04 How Max finds app ideas
3:04 that. Before we do, I want to understand how do you actually find good ideas for
3:07 apps. >> Very first step just to find the right keyword. Basically how I look at it. If
3:12 user has a problem, they open the app store and start searching by entering
3:16 search term or a keyword into the search bar. And here's my process. First of
3:20 all, my main source of ideas is a well-known ASO tool Astro. And then I
3:25 pick a random category or something that I really want to build myself and search
3:29 for various relevant keywords. I'll also try looking at areas that might have be
3:33 closely related keywords that target the same group users but solving slightly
3:37 different problems. For example, if you take study apps, you can target physics
3:42 AI, chemistry AI, math AI. So these are different keywords, but they are related
3:46 to students. That gives me an opportunity after creating one app to
3:50 quickly jump into the closely related keywords in just no time. When I do my
3:54 research, I make sure the keyboard has at least 20% of popularity and 60 or 70%
3:59 difficulty. When I find interesting keywords, I usually check top
4:02 competitors and look at their monthly revenue, which you could do with a
4:06 sensor tower or a similar tools. My benchmark is at least 100 or €200 per
4:11 month. If the competitor does less, meaning there's not that much money in
4:15 that market, so it's not worth uh going there. What Max is doing here is genius.
4:16 Spot trending app ideas (The Hustle sponsor)
4:21 He has this very fine-tuned system for finding ideas, shipping fast, and then
4:25 moving on to the next one. If you stick around to the end of this video, he's
4:28 going to talk about exactly how he does this, which I think you will enjoy. But
4:31 this whole thing got me thinking. [music] If you love watching people
4:35 build fast and think big like Max, then I definitely think you should check out
4:39 The Hustle, who is the sponsor of today's video. The Hustle is a free
4:44 daily email that makes business news actually fun to read. They cover offbeat
4:47 stories like Max's [music] every single day. And it's the kind of
4:51 stuff that will actually inspire you to build and launch that business idea, no
4:55 matter how crazy it sounds. I've been reading The Hustle for years, and it's
4:58 one of the few emails I actually look forward to opening. It's fast, it's
5:02 punchy, and it always gives me at least one story to talk [music] about with my
5:06 friends. Plus, it makes me sound way smarter than I actually am. So, if
5:09 you're building apps, looking for your next side hustle, or just love
5:13 discovering business ideas before everyone else, The Hustle is for you.
5:17 Hit the link in the description, subscribe to The Hustle, and you'll get
5:21 daily stories to keep innovators like you in the loop [music] with stories on
5:25 business, tech, and the internet. Thank you to The Hustle for sponsoring this
5:29 The tool Max uses to spot ideas
5:29 video. Let's get back to the story. Max, that Astro tool seems really cool. Could
5:33 you just show me like an example of how you'd find an idea? Let's say it's the
5:37 tree identifier idea. >> Basically, what I do, I create a
5:40 temporary app and then you can add keyword and then you go with the tree
5:45 identifier and then you bring up the apps and then you just pick some closely related. This
5:51 is obviously is not the one that we want. This is probably nice one. And
5:55 then you look through the keywords and then you just go popularity that just I
5:59 mentioned. uh say starting from 20 and difficulty uh 70. So you see the like
6:06 wood identification kind of popular and the difficulty is very low. I would
6:09 build that because I probably might target for this keyword and get some
6:13 good results and then like I select my keywords that I'll be targeting add them
6:17 to selection and then what I do I open the app store to see the revenue of this
6:21 app and if it's nice enough like if it's big then I just go for that.
6:24 How Max ships fast
6:25 >> Okay cool. So let's talk about that. What is your build process like? How do
6:28 you build all these apps and how do you build them so quickly?
6:31 >> First, I pick two three competitors and just study the app and pay close
6:35 attention to the main feature that closely related to the keyword. So, I
6:38 don't bother with anything else. Then, I tell Chad GPT or Gemini that I want to
6:42 build an app for a given keyboard. I provide some specific UIUIUX constraints
6:47 and I ask for a detailed implementation plan. Next, I create a project. I drag
6:51 and drop some UI elements uh custom buttons, views like screens. So instead
6:56 of building a new setting screen over and over again, I just drag and drop.
7:00 And uh same with onboarding and pay wall. And for some apps uh I basically
7:05 copy like 90% of the code which gives me like the instant time for the building
7:09 and the app is shipped like in a couple of hours. Then once the app is ready, I
7:14 open Figma, create a new project there and the copy screenshots and app icon
7:18 templates from all projects. And then once uh I have everything ready, so the
7:22 app is built. Then I finally ask RGBD to generate the app description. I fill in
7:25 all the metadata, make sure they are relevant to the keyword that I've
7:29 selected originally. Then the app is ready for distribution. And my process
7:33 usually takes, it depends on the app. Some apps might take a week because like
7:37 I need to do one thing, the other thing, but I have a record one app I've built
7:41 like in two hours from the idea just came into my head till I submit it to
7:46 28APPS
7:46 review to the app store. Okay, before we finish the video, I wanted to pop in
7:50 real quick and share how cool I think this whole thing is that Max is doing.
7:55 Find the idea, build it, ship it, next project. This strategy is genius because
7:59 building software is changing. [music] When anyone, including your grandma, can
8:04 build an app, how fast you can ship apps really matters. And this is exactly the
8:09 kind of stuff that we teach inside Starter Story Build. In starter story
8:13 build, we will not only show you how to build an app with AI, but more
8:16 importantly, we will teach you a framework that you can use to ship apps
8:21 over and over again. If you join Starter Story Build, in just a few weeks, you
8:25 will have a real working app. And in just a few months, you might be quitting
8:29 your job and going allin on building apps. If you've gotten to this point in
8:32 the video right here, I have a deal for you. Just put code 28 apps at checkout
8:38 for 20% off your next Starter Story Build Boot Camp. Our next boot camp
8:42 starts this week and this offer won't last forever. So if you're ready to
8:46 build, head to the link in the description to check out Starter Story
8:50 Build. And remember to use the code 28 apps. [music] That's 28APS
8:55 for 20% off. All right, let's get back to the video. Okay, that's crazy how
8:56 6-Step Building and Shipping process
8:59 fast you can ship these apps. I really think there's something there. Building
9:02 and shipping new apps every single week. So for anybody who's watching this right
9:06 now, I'd love if you just broke down the steps from actually taking an app from
9:09 idea to shipping it to the app store. Break down the exact steps on how to do
9:13 this if you were starting over today. >> Always begin with finding strong
9:17 keywords. Make sure the popularity difficulties great ratio and make sure
9:20 the top apps are making real revenue. So you want to build apps in the market
9:23 that pay cuz I don't want to waste my time on building apps that don't bring
9:27 any revenue. Step two, study competitors and define the core feature. Review the
9:32 top apps in the category, analyze them and choose the single core feature that
9:35 will solve the main user problem better and more efficiently. Step three, plan
9:40 fast with AI. Use AI tool to generate a clear development road map, feature
9:44 breakdown and UX structure that removes the guesswork and lets you start
9:47 building with clarity and speed. I use Corser or Cloud and I just ask them to
9:53 write down all the screens and all the features and the flows so I can see the
9:57 clear picture and I can understand which screens I need to build, which screens I
10:01 need to copy over from the previous projects. Step four, build lean and ship
10:06 quickly. Focus on shipping a clean MVP with the only features necessary to
10:10 deliver value. Step five, release and move to the next build. Once the app is
10:14 functional, polished enough, and life, just let it go. Move on to the next
10:18 project. let data decide which app sync on which float when you just ship the
10:22 app you get this famous app store boost but then over time it fades away and
10:27 then I see if it keeps going down or it's kind of stabilized or even growing
10:31 and if the app is not sinking it means it has potential and the last step six
10:36 return to winners and scale with ads so after some time I do revisit apps that
10:40 show organic traction or retention and for once the ones that float I start
10:45 improving them do some polishing do some bug fixes and add ads just to double
10:50 down on the results and to make sure that they grow. And that's pretty much
10:53 my playbook for the all the apps that I launch. >> I want to switch topics slightly and
10:57 talk about tech stack. How do you build your apps? What tools do you use and
11:00 what languages are they built on? >> I don't have a lot of tools, but here
11:03 they are. Flatter, this is the framework that I use for the app development. Fast
11:08 Lane, this is the thing that I use for shipping everything fast. Then I use
11:13 Corsur for AI coding. Firebase, this is everything. This is my app's back end.
11:17 This is the authentication database and even website hosting. I also use open
11:22 air and gemini for image recognition and the AI work mix panel used for analytics
11:28 and I use Astro for iOS and Fox data for iOS and Android. >> Okay. And on a similar note, I'm curious
11:34 about costs and margin. You're making over $10,000 a month from over 28 apps.
11:38 What are the costs to run this whole app empire? >> Corser goes for like $20 a month. A fast
11:46 lane, this is free tool. So, $0 a month. Open AAI is a bit costly. It's like $200
11:52 a month. Gemini goes for $50 a month. Firebase, even though there's so much
11:56 going on, uh it doesn't cost much cuz I don't really go over the free tier, so
12:01 it's around $5 to $10 a month. Mix panel, I'm using a free plan, so I don't
12:06 pay anything. Astro goes for like $10 a month. And Fox Data, I'm also on the
12:11 free plan, so it's $0 a month. >> Okay. Okay. Well, thanks for sharing
12:13 that, being super transparent about the numbers. Cool to see how lean you
12:18 actually run this operation. Last question that I have for everyone who
12:21 comes on to Starter Story. If you could give one piece of advice to Max just a
12:27 year ago on what to do, what to work on or for anyone watching right now who
12:30 wants to do the same as what you're doing, what would be your advice?
12:34 >> The most important advice would be not to be afraid of shipping. Don't waste
12:38 your time on polishing it up, thinking about adding one more killer feature
12:41 that would definitely get you a ton of users. No, don't do it. Get it ready
12:46 bugs free, just one single feature, ship it, and let users tell you what they
12:50 think about it while you're building another app. >> That's amazing. Best advice I heard all
12:55 month, Max, thank you for coming on, sharing all this. It's amazing what
12:59 you're doing. I think it might be the future of building apps and software.
13:02 So, super cool to see and I'm sure it's going to keep growing. Thanks for coming
13:04 on. >> Thank you. Thank you to Max for coming on to the channel. I think that his
13:09 approach is really cool. The fact that he did it all while he had a full-time
13:13 job, he's making $10,000 a month with 28 apps. That just shows you what is
13:18 happening in the software and app landscape right now. Need to be able to
13:22 build stuff fast, reuse different components, and just try a lot of
13:26 different things. Building that shipping muscle is super, super important. And I
13:30 imagine that one day he's going to stumble onto a very, very big idea and
13:34 be able to execute on it flawlessly. And again, this is exactly what we teach
13:38 inside Starter Story Build. We help you build that shipping muscle. We help you
13:41 come up with an idea, build it, launch it, and get it into the hands of real
13:45 users. And it takes a lot of courage to build something and put it out into the
13:49 world shamelessly. All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you
13:52 for watching. We'll see you in the next
